In mid-October, renowned filmmaker and writer Astra Taylor spoke with legendary thinker and radical Angela Davis in a livestream event cosponsored by Jacobin and Haymarket Books. The subject: “Their Democracy and Ours.” In their wide-ranging conversation, the two spoke about the relationship between democracy and socialism, the historic role of radicals in democratic struggles, the need for a revived internationalism, and much more.

Astra Taylor is the author of Democracy May Not Exist, But We’ll Miss It When It’s Gone and, most recently, coauthor of the Debt Collective manifesto, Can’t Pay, Won’t Pay: The Case for Economic Disobedience and Debt Abolition. Angela Davis is distinguished emerita professor at the University of California, Santa Cruz; the subject of the acclaimed documentary Free Angela and All Political Prisoners; and the author of many books, including Women, Race and Class.

Their conversation has been condensed and edited for clarity.